I don't have any particular distro suggestion but if privacy is important to you and it is possible on any of your computers, I would say to consider using libreboot

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/the-management-engine-an-attack-on-computer-users-freedom

I would recommend Salix OS, but it's based on Slackware, which has slapt-get, which tries to emulate the features of apt-get as closely as possible. I'm not sure exactly how similar they are, though. And I don't really have any other recommendations because I haven't found any better distro, so I guess you need to just try it out.

No systemd.

a 2 year break

I've been using linux as my primary OS since the late OOs and my advice is to go with something easy and well supported. I use Fedora since I need to know RedHat tools at work. First get started and stay using a mainstream distribution.

I hate the design philosophy of systemd, but I'm not going to go out of my way to fight it. I am more than capable of setting up any distribution I want, but it usually isn't worth the time. I have virtual machines and embedded stuff running non-systemd distributions, but that is because it offers other compelling advantages for those particular installations. On a modern PC, I would just suggest picking an easy to use distribution and running with it for a few years.

If you pick Fedora, I'm sure I can answer reasonable questions. Ubuntu is also well supported and easy to use. I'm just less experienced with it. I have several machines running with Ubuntu LTS because that is what was tested with the particular hardware or software I needed to run.

Any package manager can be kept stable assuming a well supported upstream and non-bleeding edge software. I've got a debian box that been stable with apt for well over a decade plugging along with no issues.

Artix Linux

i suppose so but then it also comes down to if you trust wikipedias info.

I think the main benefit of something like this is that if the internet goes down, you still have Wikipedia. Could be useful in a disaster scenario that results in an internet outage for an extended period.

as cool as this is, i donated over 1k this year to wikipedia and they get plenty more than that i think itll be fine.

Not only you can run it on your computer, but also on your Android device, so you can take Wikipedia wherever you go. Although...

Wikipedia may just shut down completely.

I don't think that Wikimedia Foundation will die. I mean, they do like "fighting disinformation", which we call censorship, so I guess they might be working with big corpos. And, well, anyone could edit Wikipedia, so even then, it might not be correct. But hey, you got a search engine to dig deep into whatever you want, and then you can save the website and also take it wherever you want. And hey, Kiwix has other stuff worth taking a look, like Project Gutenberg, where they archive books that are public domain in the United States, so there's that...

Avid OpenBSD user here. I don’t like the sound of Ghost. Try OpenBSD and you be surprised, pleasantly this time!

I'm a fan of BSD, but your review makes me not want to even try that version.

I'll stick with NetBSD. It's easy.

Was kind of hoping you used it longer to try to get the feel for it, but I get it. I'm running a new OS and environment for me, that I'm unfamiliar with as well in a VM right now. Artix, and I kind of feel the same way.

For the last 10+ years I've been using Debian or RHEL/CentOs based OSes so throwing something unfamiliar in the mix has me scratching my head and wondering how much is user error, the OS, etc.

Not as much of a clusterfuck as systemd is, though.

systemd is objectively a better alternative to things like sysinitv openrc and runit. service managers in the form of interpreted scripts are and will continue to be an irredeemable clusterfuck. the "anti systemd people" fail to see this as they are in a cult.

Here's an alternative news source: "Linux Mint team wants users to upgrade, may enforce some" from gHacks (clear net only)

Anyway, I don't like where Mint is going, and here's why: in this blog post, the Mint developers said they may enforce some users to update.

In some cases the Update Manager will be able to remind you to apply updates. In a few of them it might even insist.

So I feel like that it's all downhill from there for Mint. I mean, Mint also had systemdestroy since Mint 16 "Petra", stopped supporting 32-bit processors since Mint 20 "Ulyana", and it's probably also bloated, given it's based on Ubuntu. The LTS version, but still.

You can have that future and I'll take my future without the bloat that is systemd. It's the Linux way. Everyone can do what they want.

Thanks for sharing!

DON'T PANIC

systemd-less OS is possible. One such example is Alpine Linux. I would even recommend going one step further and learn about daemontools (made by DJB) and in turn to have a look at runsvdir which is part of busybox and is kind of reimplementation of the original idea.

Once you get to live systemd-less, you will realize how easy it is to tame any distro. Even Debian or Ubuntu work very nicely without systemd.

Bock to the roots! All the best!

Yes. The reason I switched to Arch many years ago was to get rid of all that wrappers of wrappers which are used in Debian since long time ago.

Read man pacman and that is the most Arch that can run into your way (not counting systemd, which is not Arch's fault, but the fact they switched to it in 2012 was their decision — so some have switched from Arch as well).

Not bloated at all.

In fact Steve Jobs put the entire MASSIVE Macintosh Operating System (OS X) and much of its gui libraries on the first 2008 iPhone.

People claimed (almost 99% of computer experts) that the iPhone would never sell even 2 million phones, and the giant huge OS (vastly larger than android OS) was insane to put in a Phone..

Steve Jobs merely responded... "You are wrong. No Compromises. Technology will keep up and its the FUTURE we are building for. The FUTURE"

APPLE over 2 TRILLION DOLLAR MARKET CAP from its "Bloat" ! Proof tonight!

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AAPL/

See? Market cap of all Stock over 2 Trillion dollars, and the biggest stock holder is Apple, followed by lucky Warren Buffet (5.04% as of last week).

2 Trillion from using Systemd (Launchd)

avoiding the future will never be a wise strategy in technology world.

98% of all running lunix desktops and servers now use awesome systemd.... for 100 great technical reasons. All 100 together are called bloat by you, and thats just crazy. If it had 49,000 new technologies, it might be bloat, but 100 new technologies to modernize Linux and keep up with Apple, is NOT BLOAT.

Apple did not tell Linux to copy its open source designs and put them into Linux... Linux distros all wisely took Apple Systemd (Launchd) and ported it to all the linux distributions used (98% in volume surveys).

Hurray for Systemd! It Won!

I do admit apple currentloy did NOT put its entire massive OS X (BSD unix) into the womans iWatch. The tiny iWatch needed space for autonomous cell phone chip , wifi, heart beat monitor, fall injury monitor (saved people plummeting off mountains already), auto 911 dialing, speaker voice monitoring, and links to nearby apple devices. No room in 2016 for all that. The Next iWatch may have the entire gigantic glorious 2 trillion dollar market cap operating system shoved into t the womans iWatch.

Apple iWatch has a built-in feature that calls emergency services when it detects its user has experienced a hard fall: https://people.com/human-interest/apple-watch-calls-for-help-man-falls-off-cliff/

iWatch to have entire massive gigantic macintosh OS and a working cell phone, all on a womans watch!

The final giant iWatch OS update for older watches, before going 100% iPhone OS in 2022 , internally has countless features in it including 24 hour Siri AI voice assistant even if no cell towers and no wifi and no blu tooth connection to another apple device :

https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/watchos-8-release-date-3800809/

Wow! All those things on a little watch!

3 Trillion market cap for Apple is their next Target (50% stock increase from now)

And Apple thanks Systemd (Launchd) for much of that current 2 trillion dollars.

In fact, 98% of the linux engineering experts now in 2021 lauch at the luddites and halfwits screeching against the glorious systemd with their emotions instead of facts.

The smear word "bloat" without logical argument, is laughed at the same way Steve jobs laughed when selling the iPhone in 2008 with entire giant mac operating system inside it.

NO COMPROMISES. Its not Bloat, its the FUTURE.

(popcorn)

Ya'all are too damn bright to go the ad hominem attack route.

Just saying. Merits to both sides and reason to have distros with and without certain things.

Won't catch me near Windows. If I could get it all out of my LAN I gladly would :)

Left using it back in the XP days. Quite an ugly and counter-intuitive OS on desktop. Probably same boring Windows on the Server side though.

Hmm yes, totally not a post showing that you're just an angry Linux fanboy trying to defend something that hurts you.

systemdestroy DOES make Linux less free because you're dealing with big corpo software, and it DOES make Linux owned by big corpo because init systems plays an important part to do anything.

No, I won't click the video to "learn". I'm not even going to talk about the fact that you didn't use Invidious as the proxy for NotYourTube.

Also, I'm educated, that's why I know the reason behind systemdestroy being the most used init system: it's because this is a big corpo software. It takes no effort for a big corpo to make something that becomes a dependency for 99% of things to then start harming it and therefore harming the things it has a dependency for.

Also, yes, that Without Systemd site is dead. However, there is an archival link from Wayback Machine, which, GUESS WHAT, allows archiving websites to cite them in future, even if the original site is long dead, so your "argument" doesn't make sense. Also, no, it's not written emotionally, the original author, whoever that was, written this wiki in good faith.

Also, you know, even if the bugs were fixed...

...there are other things that technically aren't bugs, but they still make your life inconvenient. Of course, you being a Linux fanboy, and probably even a freetard, makes you not notice those things, even though you should.

Also, unprofessionalism is actually a valid point; why would you say that the Journal File Format is stable since 26, but then take it back on version 44?

Doesn't it work like that?

Does it, freetard?

Yes, I did read that link. And yes, those launchd operating systems did make a mistake: switching to launchd, which is an init system owned by Apple, the big corpo. Seriously, every open source software owned by a big corpo has problems such as:

• threatening one who was daring to stand up to them (clear net only):

Kay Sievers and Lennart Poettering often have the same response style to criticisms as the GNOME developers [read other Red Hat developers] — go away, you’re clueless, we know better than you, and besides, we have commit privs and you don’t, so go away.

• "no abuse" (clear net only) unless we abuse (tilde club clear net mirror, Tor v3 mirror, Tor v2 mirror, Freenet mirror, I2P mirror), otherwise known as doublespeak, and also disrespecting contributors

• Jesus Christ, just Mozilla. I think they're a perfect example of a big corpo that only does harm. Thesis is available on Dig Deeper

Not understanding computers 101?

Absolutely. I'm laughing at you.

Also, maybe that link doesn't mention RAID, but do you know what it mentions? Checksums.

systemd might have won by fucking our arses, however, me and other people that actually think will go against it by using and recommending Linux distributions that don't use systemd, such as Salix OS

Linux servers/desktops might use systemd, but the faster booting is just the placebo effect, which is caused by a disease you have: freetardism.

Looks like people hold a very strong opinion on systemd.

It's all I know, so I'm going to experiment with alternatives for now.

I think Android, or at least Samsung devices do this too. I don't recall resetting my home network but but if I recall correctly, even resetting the device or changing it with the same SSID and password will result in you having to re-authenticate to use the network, even if the details are the same.

I've got a friend who does Windows networking for offices, local factories, etc. He's dabbled in Linux and tried to convince me to get my Windows certs some time back because "networking just works" with Windows.

He may be right, I wouldn't know. But for the cost of licenses and software used it better work out of the box.

It's still bloated as fuck and avoidable.