In Spain a "register" for those who refuse the vaccine: "It will be shared with EU countries"burnerben wrote
im personally not against this my parents are both PHDs and have reviewed the papers on the vaccine and my uncle is a doctor and already took it and is doing fine. the reasoning behind the register is to encourage people to take it so we can reach herd ammunity. also to help countries deny visitors who might be infected.
Rambler OP wrote
While I'm not against the idea 'in theory', it's just the first time (as far as I know) that sharing medical data about individuals has or will occur at this level.
My weariness is less about the vaccine itself and more about the 'register' and the ability to prevent free travel.
burnerben wrote
Yea i understand the privacy side of it its as simple as a true or false box. it could be compared to being a sex offender or not. if you are its public if you arent its not. obviously they are not the same but you get the idea.
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burnerben wrote
Fair point but i think if anything this encourages people to take it so we can reach heard immunity sooner.
Wahaha wrote
The concept of herd immunity is weird. Either you're vaccinated and safe, so someone who didn't get the untested vaccine shouldn't matter to you or getting the vaccine doesn't actually work, so there's no point to take the risk.
Especially now, that everyone was forced to stay indoors more and thus has a weakened immune system from not getting enough Vitamin D. If your immune system is weakened, getting a vaccine is the same as getting the virus itself. That's why you're not supposed to get vaccinated during or shortly after a sickness, which has the same effect of weakening your immune system.
burnerben wrote
if you take the time to review the scientific papers (which im going guess you definitely haven't) you would see there was testing and that it works just fine. its not my fault your a sheep to fox news. the point of herd immunity is that almost everyone will have the vaccine except people at extreme high risk and they will naturally become immune. for example a friend of mine has never gotten vaccinated but was tested for immunity to several illnesses and was immune. herd immunity is a fairly well covered topic generally i shouldn't have to explain it to you. if your this concerned do the research. also if you have lack of vitamin D your just lazy and dont go outside. theres ways to go outside and stay healthy without putting your or other peoples health at risk. the reason i care about other people being vaccinated is because im a decent human and have empathy and i want everyone especially those at high risk who cannot take the vaccine to be safe.
Wahaha wrote
To test a vaccine you have to actually apply it to a group of humans and then see how well they do a few months down the line. I don't watch news. They are all fake.
Reviewing just the paper is meaningless before the field testing on a large group of people. If the paper stage wasn't satisfactory they wouldn't go ahead, now would they?
Also, how are you supposed to go outside if there's police patrolling the street preventing you from just doing that? Maybe your place is better off than others. But even then, vitamin D is only half the story. The other half is that by being exposed to germs around the year our immune system is stimulated to work. The more clean we make our environment, for example by avoiding other people and thus germs, the less our immune system will have to do around the year and thus be weakened.
I know my immune system is weakened, since I wasn't outside much this year and basically haven't met any humans. I'm certainly not standing in line to get the virus via a vaccine. I made this mistake a long time ago, where I got the flu a week after I got the supposed vaccine against it. Never got that vaccine again and never got the flu again. Go ahead, take the risk to sacrifice your health because you have empathy for me. I'm betting on your herd immunity and not getting this particular vaccine, since I don't want to get sick from a vaccine again. Thanks for your understanding.
burnerben wrote
Please do not try to debate a subject you are uneducated in, it makes you look like a fool. if you really cared about your safety you would do research on the vaccine and understand like the majority or us that yes of course they tested in groups. do you not understand how medical studies work? i close relive of mine has already gotten it as he is a doctor and he says he feels stronger. if your not at high risk medically then take the vaccine your just adding to the problem and making it harder to reach heard immunity.
Wahaha wrote
Appealing to authority isn't an argument, y'know? It's a logical fallacy.
I won't get it and within my personal contacts, no one will get it, either. Some of whom happen to be doctors themselves. If you feel comfortable getting a vaccine in the early stages of testing, good for you. I feel different.
burnerben wrote
your honestly an idiot the testing is over you retard its so difficult to talk to uneducated people smh
Wahaha wrote
Calling other names isn't a very convincing argument. The most difficult thing about conversations is that most people have trouble to consider that they could be wrong.
I may be wrong and you might be right, but nothing that was said thus far has been convincing me. So I maintain my position that I will not take this untested vaccine this year. Feel free to take it yourself, though. Willing guinea pigs are always welcome, as far as I am concerned.
burnerben wrote
i appreciate you maintaining your position but i do not appreciate you spreading false facts. these were tested that how they are able to be distributed. if you did any to little research or had any basic knowledge on how vaccines were developed you would know this.
Wahaha wrote
I know that my doctor won't get the vaccine for himself, since he considers it unsafe and I trust my doctor more than some stranger on the Internet claiming things. The specific complaint about the process was that the testing was only done on Africans who are genetically different from other races and thus the vaccine is still untested as far as these other races are concerned.
To me it remains untested until it is out in the field for about two years. How are you supposed to figure out long-term damage if you don't give the tests time?
Unfortunately the pharma industry is one that has lost every bit of trust it ever had over the years, so I wouldn't even be surprised if they were lying about everything, faking test results and paying off enough people to keep this under the lid. I recently heard that a cure for cancer was found decades ago, but since it was unprofitable the pharma industry suppressed it successfully. And that's just something I heard in the past few weeks.
burnerben wrote
I agree with the pharma part but for me im young and healthy and live in the states. i just want corona to be over already.
Wahaha wrote
Corona is like the flu. It will never go away. Vaccines didn't make the flu go away. What we want is the stupid reaction to go away.
The measures are all inconsequent bullshit anyway. All the lock downs are pointless, since everyone is allowed to go to the supermarket anyway and masks are proven to not be 100% effective.
If they closed down the supermarkets, too and forced delivery of everything this whole thing would have been over months ago. But the way things have played out were, of course, different.
There wasn't even an effort to put logistics in place that would make grocery delivery feasible for everyone.
burnerben wrote
Idk where you live but where i live as long as you take safety measures your fine
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Wahaha wrote
There hasn't been enough time for the thing to get the status of tested. Give it a couple of years. To repeat these runs and see if it even works and for how long.
I still won't be getting it, since my immune system is weak. Always has been. But at that point I'll stop complaining about it being untested.
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