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smallpond OP wrote
Reply to comment by takeheart in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Only I know my capabilities.
You probably believe that. The stupidity of a fool is not restricted to the external world. They are just as incapable of comprehending themselves. A significantly smarter person knows the fool better than they know themselves.
smallpond OP wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
If we're more in agreement, all good. There are many people who consider government inherently evil, and simply want as little of it as possible.
place where free speech can be used as a tool to bring disparate groups into alignment
You seem to be on some odd do-gooder crusade... I hope that feels nice. If you want to bring groups into alignment, focus on the people physically close to you who actually matter, then slowly work outwards.
This website doesn't need to come into alignment, it just needs to be a place where people can speak. It's far better that we all disagree as much as possible. Coming into alignment means becoming just another moronic circlejerk unaccepting of outsiders.
takeheart wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Speed up the film, Zenen, quick. Click? Pic? Look, Eye, Now, Flick, Here, There, Swift, Pace, Up, Down, In, Out, Why, How, Who, What, Where, Eh? Uh! Bang! Smack! Wallop, Bing, Bong, Boom! Digest-digests, digest-digest-digests. Environmentalism? One column, two sentences, a headline! Then, in mid-air, all vanishes! Whirl man’s mind around about so fast under the pumping hands of publishers, exploiters, broadcasters, that the centrifuge flings off all unnecessary, time-wasting thought!
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by smallpond in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
I'm reading your response like you chose to interpret what I said in a controversial way so that you might have a reason to disagree with me. Regardless - I agree with you, I think that what you call 'corruption' is a consequence of what I call 'bloat'.
I also think that governance is a useful & necessary tool to getting human beings to work together... I have just never seen it scale past a city-state level without starting to collapse in on itself.
Re: establishing common ground, finding agreement is what makes the difference between this website being a platform being an excuse to get into arguments on the internet versus a place where free speech can be used as a tool to bring disparate groups into alignment so that we can talk about things like "how do we learn to self-govern and create systems that work for everyone rather than only the wealthy?"
Question: what do you think about digitalized democracy? It seems to be a way to create a "belevolent dictator" that is resistant to some of the corrupting influences that humans fall victim to.
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by takeheart in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
I don't have the time to watch a documentary, but it seems like you're on the same page as Wahaha and smallpond in the opinion that corrupt governments are creating problems for the common population and not acting with citizen's interests in mind.
Mind giving me the thesis of Planet Of The Humans?
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by Wahaha in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Okay, while I don't know if we see democracy the same way (I think that what we refer to democracy is actually oligarchy wearing a funny hat), I definitely agree that we need to do away with systems that divide populations that need to stand together and fight for common goals - the net survival & prosperity of as much life on this planet as possible is what I'm after. What banner do you want to see people unifying under?
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by Wahaha in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
It's a rock in space that somehow underwent abiogenesis to bring about living organisms. Separating the substrate of life from the things that grow out of it is like separating the laws of thermodynamics from the fact that the self-replication of life itself is a force that actively fights against entropy.
Also, we have no idea what creates consciousness, but we are far from the only example of interconnected neurons and synapses on the planet. Did you know that trees send signals to one-another through fungal networks that connect their roots to one another? Maybe they know something about interdimensional travel.
takeheart wrote
Reply to comment by Wahaha in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Are you aware of Transcension Hypothesis?
Wahaha wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
No, it is based on the laws of thermodynamics. There is no cherry picking of data, because it is not based on data points. It's just a consequence of how the universe works. The sun is burning something. Once this resource is exhausted the sun will go dark. It will never go back to providing "green energy". Everything in the universe is like that. The only way to prevent the heat death of the universe is to reverse entropy. That is like traveling back in time. Impossible.
So going to other planets isn't a solution. We have to actually leave this universe. Whether this is even possible or not, I do not know. But if we do not, we will 100% perish in the future.
The Earth is not alive. It's a rock in space. Whether it has living organisms on it or not doesn't matter to the rock in space.
Wahaha wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
The problem with government is the blatant corruption. I think the things you perceive as bloat were things added to reduce the corruption, but it isn't working.
The core problem is that democracy is an awful system, where you essentially give power to the people that have a big influence. So essentially rule of the rich by proxy of exchangeable puppets.
To solve the core problem of government being "incompetent" you have to solve the corruption, which you cannot do in a democracy.
Compare this with a monarchy where at the end of the day you have someone actually responsible. In a monarchy you at least need to keep everyone from hating you so much that they would go out and kill you. Not in a democracy. If any puppet gets a bit of heat the puppet is exchanged and then it is business as usual.
If the puppet tries doing things itself you just assassinate it.
The core problem is democracy.
It is designed to divide a people who should stand united. To divide them on as many issues as possible.
smallpond OP wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Yes, I probably disagree with that. It's not that they're bloated, it's that they've been completely corrupted so that they no longer serve the interests of citizens. Big government is probably the only way to attempt to tackle societal problems, but unfortunately the world seems to lack benevolent dictators.
We're here on this website, that's all we need to agree on. There is no need to establish common ground.
takeheart wrote
Reply to Prohibition Was a Success (2019) by Wahaha
What an exemplary article. First half is facts and numbers about booze, second is bashing of the jews.
takeheart wrote
IQ is statistical test about sorting geometrical figures, not a real property of man. I remember what Shulgin wrote about IQ tests. I remember my own experience where I was accused cheating. In this wall of greentext I can believe claims about mapping, and that's about it. Claims about empathy are especially out of place.
takeheart wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
That would be an understatement. It's not enough to say that governments and policy makers are unhelpful to solve problems. They create these problems. Check out "Planet of the humans 2019"
Zenen wrote
good, record labels suck (value and creativity from artists and turn it into private profit)
let's get back to buying merch and buying tix for live shows
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by smallpond in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
One of the great things about a website like this is that it offers a bridge between people who live in different realities. We live in a post-truth world, which means that what is 'true' for you is not necessarily 'true' for someone else. What we can do is establish common ground between people who carry different views than us by finding things that we agree on and building on that as a foundation.
Seems like everyone in this thread agrees that national politics and governance systems are overly bloated and unhelpful towards solving the problems that we face on a personal scale, anybody disagree with that? /u/Wahaha /u/takeheart
smallpond OP wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
It is helpful/kind to tell people the truth. If they choose to ignore it, it's stupid to entertain fools who cannot acknowledge overpopulation or other things that have become quite clear over decades.
smallpond OP wrote
Reply to comment by takeheart in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
My head is cool, but there's no point in laboring conversations with fools.
smallpond OP wrote
Reply to comment by Zenen in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
I prefer to 'namecall' if that's how you wish to view honestly describing a situation as I see it. You can delve deep into the minds of the brainwashed if you wish, I'm sure that'll be productive.
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by smallpond in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Watch what you project onto the people around you - even if they're internet avatars. Pity is not a helpful sentiment :(
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by takeheart in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
You may not destroy natural systems but you are more than likely complicit in their destruction, by supporting businesses and systems that are extractive in nature.
Overpopulation is not a problem (yet), poor allocation of resources is the problem. However, there is truth in what OP says about the lack of sustainability in our strategies.
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by Wahaha in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Is your belief in 'the inevitability of heat death' based in the same type of scientific understanding that climate scientists base their work off of? Choosing to cherrypick scientific knowledge to reinforce one's own beliefs and ignoring the rest of the data is not very scientific at all.
The Earth is probably about as fine as you and I are - which is to say not fine and actually struggling to cope with the state of modern society... unless you're actually totally fine with how everything is going?
The earth is a living being in a rather careful homeostatic balance, and saying that the only consequence of a warmer climate is like saying the only consequence of a fever (i.e. when our internal climate gets a few degrees warmer) is not needing a coat. Fevers happen when our bodies need to kill off something inside of them... and humans would be the cause and the target.
If your going strategy is to extract the resources from this planet so that we can leave and find other planets where we can do the same, I would like to point towards viral propagation and ask if that is the form of (not) life that humans need to be taking inspiration from.
Don't give into apathy, you can make a difference in the world around you!
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by smallpond in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
I think it would be great if we can avoid namecalling, saying that someone is "brainwashed" is essentially an excuse to de-legitimize their viewpoint rather than considering it in depth
takeheart wrote
Reply to comment by smallpond in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
I do not destroy natural systems. Do you?
Overpopulation rhetoric is eugenics, it's origin are people who want others to not reproduce, to have their own genes prevail in the long run. Do you have many children? If no, you're pissing against the wind.
Only I know my capabilities. I see you're getting hostile. Why? I see no reason to get personal over these topics, especially if you value truth. You cannot tackle the truth unless you keep your head cool.
Zenen wrote
Reply to comment by smallpond in A technologically advanced society is choosing to destroy itself. It's both fascinating and horrifying to watch by smallpond
Yea, working on my real life communities for the most part.
I am actually trying to influence the world in what I consider to be a positive direction, maybe this isn't a great place to be spending my time and energy