eeqrhty said () (edited )

I doubt it. 45% of registered republicans supported the actions of demonstrators who stormed the capitol.

They have a big national security problem on their hands. There are two main ways they could deal with this.

  1. Thoroughly investigate the 2020 election and make real improvements to ensure that people have confidence in the results of future elections. Allow people to have more freedom and stop passing unconstitutional laws.

  2. Label anyone who questions the validity of the result a terrorist or potential terrorist. Ruin the lives of demonstrators. Increase domestic surveillance so that if anyone takes it upon himself to water the tree, he can be prevented from taking out anyone too important.

So far it's clear that they prefer option 2.


eeqrhty said () (edited )

Makes me feel less weird to hear that he does it too. I've always done it but it makes me feel like a paranoid weirdo just because no one else I know does it, even though I know I'm right.

But that's how it is with all this privacy stuff. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being watched.


eeqrhty said () (edited )

I was trying to helpfully direct you to a place where you can look into it yourself. Not everyone on the internet wants to get into a debate. I would have to write an extremely long essay to explain all the evidence I know about. I will say this about the video riddler brought up (who you were rude to for no reason).

First of all, you can see in the video that the observers are kept at an unreasonably far distance from where the counting is taking place. This was the case in multiple other states as well.

Secondly, the video shows that they were scanning ballots pulled out from containers after everyone else had gone home. Multiple media outlets reported that the ballot counters had gone home.

Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, told ABC News that the election department sent the State Farm Arena absentee ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m

They planned to stop scanning absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. and pick it up back in the morning. No official could explain before press time why Fulton was stopping its count of absentee ballots at that time, only saying that was the procedure.

This matches up with the claims of the two Republican observers who gave sworn affidavits saying an election official sent people home some time after 10 pm.

This debunking article quotes a source from the Secretary of State's office who said "they had a designated observer at that spot all night, the entire time".

But the observer only specifically claims to have been there from 11:52 pm to 12:45 am after leaving earlier in the evening

A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.

A different debunking article admits the scanners were unattended for about an hour

The scanners were unattended for about an hour until the election observer arrived, according to WSB-TV 2, though they were under video surveillance.

The combination of the bogus water leak that supposedly was the reason for counting being delayed (no proof was provided for this), the claims of the media that night that counting had stopped, republican observers being kept far away, the mixed claims about whether the election observer was present the whole time or not… I think it’s suspicious. But this story is just one part of a lot of issues that have happened in multiple states.


eeqrhty said ()

Reply to For real. by Rambler

Ok according to this meme I'm kinda smoothbrained. I don't recognize some of the logos.

What is the M inside the blue E and "FE" in the third panel?

What is the logo with eight dots in the last panel?


eeqrhty said ()

Honestly, there is so much to explain that it's not easy to even know where the best place is to begin. But if you want to look into it, you can check out some of the links on and decide for yourself. Whether you think there was enough fraud to change the result or not, I think anyone who spends some time researching it would conclude that it's important to improve the security of our elections.


eeqrhty said ()

They can get a court order to collect user data for servers in the US, and for Parler I'm sure that has already happened. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Parler is a honeypot anyways. It's suspicious that they ask their users for personal information.


eeqrhty said () (edited )

The people who were rioting or doing other seriously illegal things without hiding their identity weren't being too smart.

But I understand the people who just walked in without covering their face. For those people, it was a simple act of civil disobedience. Generally people do show their face while engaging in acts of civil disobedience and accept the possibility of being arrested. No one says "LOL Rosa Parks, what an idiot. She should have worn a hat and wrapped a scarf around her face before she sat on the bus. Then she should have gotten off at a stop before they could arrest her. But the idiot got caught LOL".


eeqrhty said ()

If actual violence happens every now and then, that gives proof that the implicit threat is actually real. I think before this happened, politicians believed that conservatives were too committed to law and order to pose any real threat. Maybe now, instead of just cowing to the left's demands out of fear, decisions will be more balanced and they will weigh the potential reaction of both sides.

The left has had the advantage when demanding things for a while because people know the left can turn violent on a dime. Some of us on the right noticed that after the riots this year, corporations and politicians were suddenly trying very hard to prove how much they support BLM and the demand to defund the police was met in multiple cities. So it's no wonder that some Trump supporters decided that they ought to try rioting as well. Apparently it is effective.


eeqrhty said ()

Why would you expect peaceful protests to work in that scenario though?

The point of peaceful protests usually is to say "hey, look at all these people who are going to vote out candidates who don't do what we want and vote in candidates that do what we want". But if voting itself is rigged, then that is not a proper threat.

Trump supporters already had multiple peaceful "stop the steal" type protests prior to the 6th and showed up in large numbers to Trump rallies that happened after election day.

Every peaceful protest has this implicit underlying threat, and it is part of why peaceful protests work. "Look at all of the people who will be pissed off and might cause disruption or do something violent if you don't listen to them".

If the first threat (voting people out) is not a serious threat anymore, then we are only left with the second threat as leverage. Now, there are ways to cause disruption without violence and that is more moral. Examples would be a refusal to work or pay taxes in masse. But it would be very difficult to get enough people to participate. People felt that it was very urgent to save the republic and that is why some were motivated to take more drastic actions.

Keep in mind, most of the people who stormed the capitol were engaging in an act of non-violent civil disobedience. There were people at the front who fought with police but the vast majority of the people who went in just walked in after the police had already stood down or retreated further into the building.


eeqrhty said () (edited )

Sounds like better news for the users privacy than US hosting.

Quoted in the article:

Raise your hand if you understand the very significant impact this has on the ability to surveil and target insurrectionists who organize on Parler.

— Chris Vickery (@VickerySec)

I'd rather be spied on by Russia than the US government for sure. Russia has no interest in oppressing me and they're on the other side of the globe. I guess the worst thing Russia might want to do with the info is influence me with targeted political ads or something.


eeqrhty said ()

Ricochet is an interesting project too. It also doesn't have centralized servers. It routes messages through the tor network.

The developers aren't giving guarantees about it though. From the website:

Ricochet is an experiment. Security and anonymity are difficult topics, and you >should carefully evaluate your risks and exposure with any software.

We’re working on auditing, reviewing, and always improving Ricochet (and we’d >love more help). There will be problems. We hope to do better than most, but >please, don’t risk your safety any more than necessary.