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Rambler said () (edited )

Ohhh, good writeup, as always.

My biggest gripe and one of the reasons I sort of moved away from using it was simply how it handles DNS requests. I found that it was what was constantly changing my /etc/resolv.conf to use Cloudflare for DNS when not accessing Lokinet.

Can you confirm if that's still happening? Go to or any other similar tool and let us know the output. What does your /etc/resolv.conf file show as your nameserver(s)?

Even when connecting to my own VPN service, etc. My DNS was leaking to Cloudflare when the Linux desktop client was installed. Tired of having to manually change it back and forth to access Lokinet and to access the clearnet without my DNS going to CloudFlare, I decided to just stop using it.

With that said, I hope they fix that. It may be isolated to Linux users only, I have no Windows devices to test. And I hope them success in what they want to achieve.

BUT, I couldn't shake the feeling that the goal was more to create a cryptocurrency than it was to create a network that solves any of the problems of pre-existing networks of similar fashion (Tor, I2P, Yggdrasil, ZeroNet, etc) and was put off by the high cost of running service nodes, registering domains, etc.

I run an I2P router, I run a Yggdrasil node, I'm spinning up some Tor stuff soon to test. I understand the concept of wanting to reduce the likelihood of sybill attacks by 'making it too expensive' for any single party or government to 'control the network' by deploying a large number of nodes to analyze traffic... But let's be real. Governments have unlimited budgets (not "really", but you know what I mean...) when it comes to things like 'cyber security' and 'national security'. Just because some script kiddie isn't going to spend tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars to deploy a bunch of relays, exits, or other network nodes to analyze traffic doesn't mean governments won't. They will. And they do this on other networks already, whether publicly or not. They'd be stupid not to. (Not that I condone it, but it's worth pointing out that it's very likely)

I'm not 100% dismissing it yet. I could be wrong on all fronts and five years from now I may be kicking myself for not buying Oxen when it was $0.28 or whatever it was when I first got interested in it. I might be upset that I dropped Loki support for this site, and it could potentially be the number one traffic source to Ramble. But, I sort of doubt it. This site got about the same amount of traffic from Lokinet that it did from Yggdrasil which is a network without all the suspected venture capitalist funding (No one would ever answer me who/how everything was being funded for Loki) and without the coin attached. I never cared enough to actually dig deep into the origin/funding behind the network.

Furthermore, it's a bit worrisome when their only online community is a very tiny subreddit ( 588 subscribers). I think they have a Discord (eww, gross) and of course, Session. I had my own issues with Session but as far as I know it was never production ready and was still in beta so I can't really complain. I like the idea of Session more than I like the idea of another anonymity network that requires buying their crypto to do common things.

The network is a business first, and everything else is second.

That's the first time I've really gone on a Loki rant in public, but that's sort of how I've been feeling lately. Someone please come prove me wrong.


dontvisitmyintentions said ()

Reddit- and discord-only is a deal-breaker. If I wanted to get or give help, I have every expectation I'd be banned without recourse or reason, and I likely wouldn't be able to tell whether the project guys did it or not. (I assume telegram is similar, since it's not open.)

Also, their rebranding is just flashily confusing enough to turn me off. "Oxen is many things" and using a generic noun for a name reinforces my impression that they are going for branding at the expense of comprehensibility.

This is what happens when a project goes after r/bitcoin instead of IRC.

Also, I looked at what it does to dns, and I'm not impressed with how much it touches, invoking resolveconf and systemd-resolve. It seems they aren't concerned with leaking data outside of a closed browser, like the Tor Browser is set up to be.