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boobs wrote

ramble, irc, exit.loki. that's about it.

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Rambler wrote (edited )

Nothing, really. It seems that they're more interested in developing a crypto-currency than building a network.

The staking requirements to run relays, have a human readable URL, etc is all very off putting and seemingly does more for the coin than it does for the network. (In my opinion)

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boobs wrote (edited )

One can run relays without a staking requirement on a network fork but there was never enough interest for it to materialize. Like it or not the coin stuff worked and it funds the development.

Building a network from zero is not as easy as you think, especially when the entire community you are trying to woo is by default skeptical of everything the devs do.

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Rambler wrote

True. But I thought they had some venture funding behind the project and that it wasn't funded by the coins. I thought the coins were a way to monetize the efforts and to pay back the investments made into the network development.

I'm not sure where I read that so it's quite possibly complete bullshit and I can't seem to find it myself now but that's that.

I'm still not convinced staking is required for most things... Any agency wishing to run enough nodes to analyze traffic isn't going to be stopped by a monetary cost of doing that, nor would any malicious non-government actor anyway. Servers cost money already, and if you wanted to deploy 100 of them that's already expensive before the staking requirements. The 3-letter groups won't be stopped by that and will happily file the paperwork for a funding request within their agency to allocate funds to their monitoring efforts.

With all that said, I really want to see them succeed. More networks and alternatives to the big tech and regular internet as we know it is needed. And there is nothing wrong with making money. It takes time, effort, and a lot of talent to build what they're doing.

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boobs wrote

the reward aspect sure did grow the network to be large in a short time and you can't have that with no skin in the game.

mitigating state sponsored actors was never in the threat model it was actually an explicit non goal.

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Rambler wrote

I'm still confused as to what is even required (cost wise) to run stuff on the network and contribute. Is there even a chart or graph somewhere that says, "To do this, it requires this much Oxen"? I know to register a .loki domain was or is 30-Oxen which was about $15/USD at last check weeks ago

And the reward aspect intrigued me as I wanted to have some Oxen to just have, but I have no way to get Oxen that is convenient to me, apparently, I just never felt like jumping through the hurdle of buying BTC, converting, etc and dealing with the loss in fees when I'm already springing money for a server. So I have to get some other coin, convert to Oxen, use that Oxen then to give to the network so I can contribute network resources that are already costing me money to the network, in the hopes that I will earn back what I originally contributed?

If all I'm doing is wanting to contribute network resources to projects I like and support it's easier to just support I2P, Yggdrasil and Tor and I can still pat myself on the back for doing some digital good.

I still feel like the interest is more in the coin than the network at this point. And that's not inherently bad or wrong.

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boobs wrote

nothing has ever stopped anyone from running a network fork with no staking requirement, it has always been supported but there has never been enough interest for it to materialize. I wish someone would step up but no one has yet.

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Rambler wrote

It's still up, isn't it? I can confirm that the server is up and running and I'm in the Session chat now.

It's also still listed on https://sessiongroups.com/

Hop in and say hello. I'm there.

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Rambler wrote (edited )

Try now...

edit: Well, fuck. I don't know. Updated the install in case they pushed out a network update that broke old installs. Not sure what would have happened 7 days ago as it appears that is the last time a message was received. The server has been up for 24 days, hasn't been down or had any network interruptions since I deployed it.

session.ramble.pw loads now, but the chat doesn't appear to be working.

edit2: I'm not sure. It may be working, it may nto be. The Android app doesn't show any of my contacts any only the ramble chat. Not sure where the hell my contacts went. Then the desktop client shows everything and is trying hard to resync all the old messages from the other public chats. I've got super slow internet so the desktop client is practically useless right now while it pulls all these messages to update. I'll report back soon.

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Rambler wrote

Awesome. I think I responded to you.

I'm not sure what the cause was, as everything was up and running on the server including the docker image. I pulled the latest update and that seemed to have fixed it. Guess I'll subscribe to their github for release notifications via email and update as needed.

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Rambler wrote

Hmm, let me ssh into the server and see what is up. I'll report back shortly.

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spc50 wrote

Shitcoins continue to wreck otherwise useful and viable projects.

This is what happens when you put greedy anti social control freaks in charge.

Tech needs more forced diversity. Not just the whole include minorities, hire non males as managers (no trannies don't count as diversity hire FFS).

We need more apolitical, non sexually deviant, less addiction, less autism, less of the corrupted by the Uni types.

Basically need a sliver of the old corporate hard worker, a bit of the regular everyday eccentric and a whole bunch of regular people.

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