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Rambler said ()

True. But I thought they had some venture funding behind the project and that it wasn't funded by the coins. I thought the coins were a way to monetize the efforts and to pay back the investments made into the network development.

I'm not sure where I read that so it's quite possibly complete bullshit and I can't seem to find it myself now but that's that.

I'm still not convinced staking is required for most things... Any agency wishing to run enough nodes to analyze traffic isn't going to be stopped by a monetary cost of doing that, nor would any malicious non-government actor anyway. Servers cost money already, and if you wanted to deploy 100 of them that's already expensive before the staking requirements. The 3-letter groups won't be stopped by that and will happily file the paperwork for a funding request within their agency to allocate funds to their monitoring efforts.

With all that said, I really want to see them succeed. More networks and alternatives to the big tech and regular internet as we know it is needed. And there is nothing wrong with making money. It takes time, effort, and a lot of talent to build what they're doing.

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boobs said ()

the reward aspect sure did grow the network to be large in a short time and you can't have that with no skin in the game.

mitigating state sponsored actors was never in the threat model it was actually an explicit non goal.

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Rambler said ()

I'm still confused as to what is even required (cost wise) to run stuff on the network and contribute. Is there even a chart or graph somewhere that says, "To do this, it requires this much Oxen"? I know to register a .loki domain was or is 30-Oxen which was about $15/USD at last check weeks ago

And the reward aspect intrigued me as I wanted to have some Oxen to just have, but I have no way to get Oxen that is convenient to me, apparently, I just never felt like jumping through the hurdle of buying BTC, converting, etc and dealing with the loss in fees when I'm already springing money for a server. So I have to get some other coin, convert to Oxen, use that Oxen then to give to the network so I can contribute network resources that are already costing me money to the network, in the hopes that I will earn back what I originally contributed?

If all I'm doing is wanting to contribute network resources to projects I like and support it's easier to just support I2P, Yggdrasil and Tor and I can still pat myself on the back for doing some digital good.

I still feel like the interest is more in the coin than the network at this point. And that's not inherently bad or wrong.

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boobs said ()

nothing has ever stopped anyone from running a network fork with no staking requirement, it has always been supported but there has never been enough interest for it to materialize. I wish someone would step up but no one has yet.

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